On “It’s Supernatural:” it’s been called one of the greatest miracles of the twentieth century. Her spine was crumbling due to an incurable bone disease. She underwent an irreversible procedure that is used only on terminal patients. See how irreversible is reversible in the realm of the supernatural.
Do angels exist? Are human miracles real? Is there life after death? Can people get supernatural
help from another dimension? Has the future been written in advance? Sid Roth has spent twenty-five years researching the strange world of the supernatural. Join Sid on this edition of, “It’s Supernatural.”
SID: Hello Sid Roth here with Delores Winder. I knew a woman by the name of Kathryn Kulman, and she had one of the greatest miracle ministries the world has seen in almost two thousand years. And she said the miracle you are about ready to hear was one of the greatest miracles of the twentieth century. I want you to see what happened. I was in a body cast for fourteen years, four fusions, one through the front, the other three through the back, two
cordotomies to kill the pain, so this side of my body was numb from here down, this side from here down Two weeks before I was healed my husband and I made my funeral arrangements.
Sid Roth back here, welcome to my world where it is naturally supernatural. My guest, Delores Winder, and who is our friend over here, Delores?
DELORES: Well, it was a friend for a lot of years.
SID: It held you together, explain exactly what was wrong with your body.
DELORES: I had first of all, three vertebrae’s that had deteriorated, and then the deterioration crept up the spine, then it got across the hips, they aged my bones when I was thirty-one as someone in the mid-seventies. I was not healed until I was forty-eight. So I wore a body cast all that time. This was a pretty new one; this was one they made me because they learned how to work with plastic.
SID: So this was like to hold you together to help stop your whole body from deteriorating?
DELORES: Yes.
SID: Was there anything medical science could do?
DELORES: No.
SID: What was the condition called?
DELORES: Well, they named it Pseudo-Arthrosis, which is only a false old-aging process, and I went into the false old-aging process at the age of twenty-nine. At thirty-one my bones aged, I was someone in the mid-seventies. And they did a spinal fusion and it lasted a year and a half, and then it broke and I had to go back and have another one done, and when they did the second one, they had sent me back to Pennsylvania to my doctor who did the first one, because they sensed there was something drastically wrong with the bone, so got back there and he said, “I don’t know what it is, but when I took some bone out I could put it in the palm of my hand and mash it.” So it was very dry, very brittle. He did the second fusion, I was in a body cast then,
and ten I lived in a body cast for almost nineteen years.
SID: Now you adopted a young son and I guess he never, was never able to bounce him or throw him up in the air.
DELORES: No, we got him at the time between my first and second fusion. I was in a body brace at that time, knowing I would never come out, but because we had a foster son who did so well in our home, the judge said I would give her twelve kids. So we got our adopted boy. He was given; he was a gift from his mother to me. And then I realized right after our adoption was final that my fusion was broken. Intense pain set in, I could hardly move, and then as soon as we moved to Texas, I had to go in and see the doctor.
SID: But medical science is pretty good, wasn’t there anything they could do to reverse this?
DELORES: No, no, everything was in the bloodstream making healthy one, but the bone would not take the nourishment, so there was nothing, and the doctors told me when they realized what really was happening, they told me we will help you through as much as we can. It is going to be a long and painful time of dying, but we will help you through it.
SID: Now you were a Christian at the time, didn’t you believe God for a miracle?
DELORES: No.
SID: Why?
DELORES: Because miracles didn’t happen today. Miracles were for the apostolic age. That was what I was always taught, that’s what I believed. But later the Lord said to me, “You have my word in you read it, why didn’t you believe it?” Kathryn Kulman said to me, “Delores, did you truly believe the Bible was the word of God?” And I said yes, totally and completely. She said, “No you didn’t, you believed about that much of it, you didn’t believe the rest.” We put into account in the denomination I grew up in, and many denominations, because we worked in them all, that this was the apostolic age, the age of miracles. Something like this could not happen.
SID: Okay, your pain is unbearable, you are hanging in there for dear life because of your son, you don’t want to leave only because of him, but what is going on?
DELORES: Well, see when the bone deteriorates, what they call bone sludge goes into the kidneys, starts effecting the kidneys. But before that my lungs got bad from being in a body cast all the time and getting pneumonia every year. And so I had breathing problems, stomach problems, hiatal hernia, and then when they were doing the one spinal fusion my heart gave out. And they had to restore my heart. And I had a heart problem after that.
SID: Okay there is, and you fell and you hurt your neck and you had a neck brace, the body cast, but things were so bad that they did something only for terminal cases, like when they do this with the mind it’s call a – with the brain it’s called lobotomy, there is no reversal, they literally burned out your nerves?
DELORES: Nerve centers.
SID: Your nerve centers?
DELORES: They go into the base of the brain where the nerve centers are and they burn out the area that they want to deaden completely.
SID: To stop the pain?
DELORES: Remember, 32 years ago they didn’t have all the medicine they have now, morphine was it, and when morphine would not hold the pain any longer, they decided it was time to do this. Three doctors have to certify you are terminal before they can do it because it cannot be reversed once they burn out the nerve centers. And they would take a diaper pin, I had to be awake when they did that, they gave me tranquilizers, but I had to be awake, because I had to be able to tell then when I could not feel anymore, and they would run this pin into my feet, as my right foot the first one came up, they would run the pin in to see how far they could go, when I wouldn’t feel anything. And they did that up to my neck level, so I had no feeling on the right side up to my neck level. Then less than a year later they did the left side but they could only come a little above the waist because my heart and lungs were too bad for me to automatically breathe.
So I still had the pain here, this shoulder…
SID: That’s a horrible way to live, find out what happens when she sees miracles on television. Don’t go away.
