Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah and if you’re not red hot for the Messiah, by the time you listen to the revelation knowledge that my guest has on end times, Joel Richardson you will be red hot for the Messiah. On yesterday’s broadcast we were talking about what the Book of Revelation refers to as the beast and you explained from the study in the Greek that this is a beast empire of nations; but they’ll be a leader of this empire nations and you believe it’s going to be Turkey and then you listed the other nations from Ezekiel 38 and 39. But then I said to you, but what about Gog and Magog, that’s Russia and you said…
Joel: Sure this is, let me just back up a tiny bit and just say this one of my convictions is that all of the prophets throughout the Bible are all basically telling the same story. They’re all looking to and prophesying though various different events of their day and they’re all pointing to the coming of the Messiah and the events that surround His coming. So the basic story that their telling, they’re all telling it from different angles, different perspectives zeroing in on different elements, they’re all telling the same story. In the last days the anti-Christ, the charismatic military political leader will emerge. He gathers a coalition and a vast coalition of nations primarily defined as a ten nation coalition with many nations with them. They invade the land of Israel; the anti-Christ it says succeeds in all that he does. He crushes the power of the Holy Ones, Israel and in Israel’s darkest hour the Messiah returns, He delivers them, they turn to Him forever, He rules the earth from Mount Zion. That’s the basic story, if people get that basic story down, then they look at the prophets and see oh, this prophet’s telling the same story howbeit from a slightly different angle. When we get to Ezekiel 38 an 39 so many Christians they try to complicate this and say this is a different charismatic military religious political leader, this is a different coalition of nations, this is a different invasion of Israel, a different supernatural victory of the Messiah and all of these things, but there is a significant key in the passage and that’s this; God Himself looks and speaks to Gog, again the primary leader of this coalition and He says you oh Gog are you not the one that I have spoken of by my former prophets for many years they prophesied that I would bring you against Israel. Well, when people look at that, they go okay, wait a minute, so you’re saying that all of the former prophets that came before Ezekiel were talking about Gog and if that’s the case, and if Gog is someone other than the anti-Christ, then I say show me one other prophet that’s talking about a Russian lead coalition. And they go silent. The fact of the matter is that Ezekiel is telling the same story that all the prophets are talking about; Gog is simply another name for the anti-Christ. Why have people made Gog into someone else that the simple answer is that when they look at the nation they are not Roman, they are not European; they’re Middle Eastern. They go this can’t fit some of our other previous suppositions, secondly in order for their whole sort of world view to work; they need a mechanism to eliminate the world of Islam. Because the bottom line is everyone who does not worship the anti-Christ will be martyred or persecuted and we know that if there was anti-Christ in the earth that the Moslem’s would not follow him if he was a humanist, or a catholic or some sort of a universalist. However, if the anti-Christ is a Muslim leader then suddenly it makes sense why the entire Middle East would follow him. Why would at 1.7 Billion people would follow him, why the most anti-Semitic people in the world that surround the nation of Israel today would follow the anti-Christ. Then it makes sense.
Sid: Okay, you mentioned some things such as George Friedman who’s the CEO and founder of Stratford, the world’s leading private intelligence forecasting company, what does he say about Turkey?
Joel: Well, this is what is so fascinating is that for years I have been saying that the Bible is clear; Turkey will reemerge as the regional leader of the Middle East. And then all of a sudden comes Friedman as you said, this world’s leading strategist and forecaster and he said this, he says within his recent book, he says within the next 100 years, he spends a lot of time in Turkey, he says in the years to come we will see Turkey emerge as a global super power and the most dominate in the Middle East. He says as the western nations evaluate the Middle East there will be an inevitable vacuum and that history shows that the Middle East is not capable of being dominated by a foreign western power, but it is capable of being dominated by a Muslim power. Turkey has historically been the nation that has been able to do that for over five hundred years right up until 1924 Sid, the Ottoman, the Turks ruled the entire Middle East. And in the years to come non-Bible believing secular analysis are saying that is going to take place; the fatal head wound that appeared, this head wound that appeared to be fatal is being healed and the beast is arising from the ashes right before our eyes.
Sid: Tell me just briefly because I find this fascinating about what is God’s holy mountain project just briefly?
Joel: God’s holy mountain project is an interfaith project in Israel founded by Yoav Frankel, he’s an orthodox Jew and their desire is to see on the temple, this is again Muslim and Jew together to see both the Mosques of Omar sometimes called the Dome of the Rock as well as the Jewish temple there on the mount side by side where everyone, whether Jew, Christian or Muslim can go and worship God together. This is what they’ll say, all on this one holy location.
Sid: And then another very intriguing man that you have personally met Adnun Oktar.
Joel: Correct.
Sid: Tell me about him.
Joel: Well, he is the most published author in the Islamic world, he written nearly 300 books and sixty five languages. He literally has come out and said that he believes that during the age of the Islamic Messiah they will rebuild the Jewish temple on the temple mount and that he speaks about Moslems and Jews worshiping God together. They all believe that God is one and so for the first time you have a Muslim, a significant Muslim leader from Turkey openly calling for the reestablishment of what he calls Solomon’s palace on the Temple Mount.
Sid: And he has a new book, what is the premise of that?
Joel: The new book that has just come out is a nearly 1,200 pages called the Mahadik, the Islamic Messiah figure and Jesus will return in this century. So this is one of the most significant Islamic books speaking of the coming of the messiah figure as well as what the Islamic Jesus is. They believe that he will be the assistant to the Islamic Messiah figure will come soon. He believes that he will come within the next twenty years.
Sid: Okay, so the beast as you see it is a coalition of Islamic nations and they are going to attack the harlot, who you believe is Saudi Arabia. Talk about that a little bit.
Joel: Right, the scripture says that the beast will turn on the woman and devour her. And this is intended to be ironic, this is as if you were watching the Lone Ranger and all of a sudden Silver just turns and eats the Lone Ranger. You go whoa where did that come from? That’s what we’re supposed to see when we are reading Revelation, when we look at the breakdown of the Middle East. Most of the Moslems, the radical Moslems on one hand they’re happy that the Saudi royals are funding their Jihad on the other hand they look at the Saudi’s as a illegitimate corrupt monarchy that needs to be overthrown. Likewise Iran across the Persian Gulf would love to be the top alpha dog of the region; the oil producing alpha dog. And so Saudi Arabia is terrified of Iran and they’re also terrified a reemerging Turkish dominance in the region. And right now Saudi Arabia is quaking in their boots; there was just a news article recently that said Saudi Arabia was allowing Israeli military jets to land in Saudi Arabia for the purpose of potentially attacking Iran. So what a lot of people believe is that this thing would break down between Sunni and Shi’ite but in fact we will see the coming together of various Islamic nations that are radical that are Islamists and on the other hand you have Saudi, Jordan, Egypt they tend to be as more western friendly. So it’s really the more so called moderate nation verses the more radical Islamic nation that desire to see the reestablishment of the Caliphate.
Sid: And the Caliphate is?
Joel: The Islamic government run by the Caliph, which is the pope, president, and general of the entire Islamic world.
Sid: Do they have a plan for; I know they have a plan for Britain to become Islamic, what about for the US?
Joel: Well, of course, they would love to see it, but as an intercessor I’m saying that is not going to happen. I’m going to stand with my nation and believe that we’ll remain strong as much as possible.
