Sid: My guest, Pastor Ron Phillips and on yesterday’s broadcast we found out how this nice well educated Southern Baptist Pastor had an explosion, that’s the best way I can describe it of the Holy Spirit. His whole church, his whole theology has become closer to the Bible than he ever dreamt possible; because he thought that the miracles, the signs, the wonders, had ceased; they were for one time but they were over. But he found out that God changes not.
Ron: That’s right.
Sid: And tell me a bit about what goes on in a worship service at your church; first of all about how many come to a Sunday morning service?
Ron: We average over 3,000.
Sid: Three thousand?
Ron: Yes sir and in a town of 160,000 like Chattanooga this has become a large, a large church and we’re grateful for that; and we give God glory.
Sid: But I understand that as you’ve been teaching on how the angels worship with us you’ve been hearing some amazing things at your worship service; what’s going on?
Ron: Well, we have had, you know as we go through, when we have worship we begin, we do all of our announcements and family time and then we start and we don’t allow worship to be interrupted after we get through with that. And we’ll to, you know we start with high praise with the shofar blowing horns, trumpets and our band and then loud, we enter into His gates with thanksgiving and into His courts with praise. We believe we’re David’s Tabernacle, you know David planted that Tabernacle thirty-three years on Mt. Zion. And we believe that we’re connected as David’s Tabernacle but we are being, we’re being restored just like Israel has been restored to their land and God’s restored the Tabernacle of David in the church too. And we are part of that what you call one new man, we believe that with all of our heart. And then worship will move from the choruses that we know and the songs that we know, many times it will move into a singing in the Holy Ghost, some people will be, you can hear them; it’s not disturbing, it’s not loud but it’s like…
Sid: You know when I first got saved in the early ‘70s I would go to Charismatic prayer meetings and the thing that overwhelmed me was the majesty of – it sounded almost like a choir accept I knew no one even knew each other but that we were seeing in the spirit and the melodies we’re just, you couldn’t orchestrate melodies that were are beautiful.
Ron: The rhythms of it I believe are the rhythms of God and the rhythms of creation, even the theists, the quadem-theists say that everything is made out of strings that are playing music and if we could hear the stars, the galaxies. And I believe that God lets us tapped in and of course tongues are tongues of angels as well so, I believe as we speak in tongues were doing, that’s angel talk. And Hebrews 12 says “Speaking of worship, you’re not come to Mount Sinai you’re come to Mount Zion;” that’s the church’s connection to Israel by the way too. “The city of the living God the heavenly Jerusalem” his is the church that is gathering; “to an innumerable company of angels, to God who is the judge of all, the spirit of just men; made perfect.” I believe even those that have gone on before, they can’t see everything going on, but I believe that they catch a glimpse of worship.
Sid: So what’s going on when this majestic worship occurs, you’re hearing something beyond your congregation, what are you hearing?
Ron: We call it, I guess Richard Riss’s book on revival 1948, they called it the heavenly choir and I think that is what we’re hearing and beginning to hear more of. And you know we have been smart enough to let’s just capture all that on tape, but we’re now trying to do that, we don’t want to…
Sid: So you’re healing an angelic choir on top of you singing in unknown tongues.
Ron: Right.
Sid: But you’re hearing something beyond your congregation.
Ron: Yes, we are, we’re hearing sounds and many people are hearing it. I think from a novelist comes into a service it takes them back a little bit, but it’s not – it’s sweet it’s not a – it’s not the loud sound; it’s that rhythm. I don’t know how to express it it’s that you talk about; that flow and wave of tone after tone meeting each other; not only from the people, but you’re hearing other tones and sounds. And one time, I thought somebody had turned our baptism on because I could hear something that sounded like water and I asked the people, “How many of you heard that?” And hundreds of people said that they could hear it; and so we’ve had that goes on here and it’s captured here, you know by what God’s doing. And see I believe the angels are here, but we just don’t acknowledge the fact that heaven is kissing earth and that the dimensional boundaries are breeched and God moves in from the Heaven of heavens from the Heavenlies, as that dimension moves into earth. And by the way, even the physicists’ believe where dimensions cross the supernatural is possible and that everything that has been done for a million of what we call years in that dimension if we have a dimensional interruption it becomes possible in a millisecond here on earth. So I believe that angels attend miracles, I believe angels attend what’s going on, they minister, they serve, they hear to take that which wears us out off of us. It doesn’t mean we should work hard, but they’re here to make that thing flow in ministry and power and strength.
Sid: You have actually been strengthened by an angel; describe that to me.
Ron: Yeah, we shared with you earlier when we were talking privately that angel took me down to the my study from that house in April 18 of this year and when I went down there I stayed there after he left, I stayed, I guess he left I couldn’t see him anymore, he may have still been there but he passed back into that other realm. I stayed there almost stunned, that the only way I could tell it stunned but when I got through I began to operate in that stream in my spirit and I felt that strength in my spirit but also in my flesh because having been up all night, I wasn’t tired. And I think maybe I got a little bit of what Elijah experienced when the angels met him under the Juniper tree and what Jesus said in the garden, he said, “An angel appeared and strengthened him.”
Sid: But you know because of the times we’re living in the last of the last days every believer has to experience this type of angelic activity and as you put it, “Hast to learn to partner with the angels.”
Ron: That’s right.
Sid: But most believers’s go their whole life and they’re not even aware of the angels; for instance, “Have you seen the angel assigned to you to help you?”
Ron: “Yes, I have and this happened even before I was baptized in the Holy Ghost and it’s something I never told except to my wife because I was afraid being an orthodox Southern Baptist that I would be, people would think that I was crazy.” But I had gone, it really was 1978 when it happened and I was on my way, I went up to preach in North Alabama and it was snowing and I went up on this mountain to preach in this church. And I really went out of pride because a guy named Dr. Claude Ray was singing and sung with Billy Graham and I wanted to be on the platform with him and a lot of mixed motives there. I was a young fellow just thirty-two years old and I went up that mountain and the pastor said, “Were going to have to speed up the service.” So I preached and when I finished everybody left and so when I went outside there was snow and ice everywhere and an old farmer said, “Can I help you down the mountain?” And I said, “No, I’ll make it.” Well, I did a 3/60 in that car and nearly went off the side of the mountain and I couldn’t move, the car was spinning, I couldn’t get it to move, nobody was there and I said, “God, please help me.” And the Lord said, “Your angel is here.” And I said, “Okay angel help me, that’s all I said, and I got the car again, I turned it and it got back on the road.” It never skidded again and I saw a glow on the fender of the car on the right side and then the glow got beside me in the car and I thought I’m losing it you know. So I came down the mountain, as I came to the mountain the Interstate 59 on north Alabama, the Highway Patrol had blocked that road off that I was coming down so nobody could go up. And the guy said, “How in the world did you get off that mountain?” I said, “Well, God helped me.” And he said, “Where are you going, you can’t go north.” I said, “Well, I’m going south to get Gaston and he said, “That will be okay, you’ll be okay between here and there are a couple of lanes open.” And he looked in the car and he said, he acknowledged that someone was in the car with me and said; “Now you all be careful.” He saw it.
Sid: He could see your angel and could you see your angel?
Ron: Yes, they look like men to me, they…but they’re big; I mean they’re this sounds, it’s like the incredible hulk but they’re good looking, that’s all I can tell you; they’re just… and I know they can manifest themselves anyway they want to. Now I don’t believe that, see the angel’s that sinned and I have a little bit about that in this book. But the angels that sinned left their habitation and some of them inhabitated men and created a race and that’s another program and another story; but the holy angels have been watching you know for a long time, they’ re not going to rebel; they’re not going to take somebody else’s body ever. But they do they can manifest.
Sid: What do angels watch for? I have read about angels are watchers. What are they watching?
Ron: Well, they watch to see that the earth is at rest, and that’s what the Bible says and they report to God if things are not at rest if they’re around God’s people if things are disturbed around God’s people they report that to God. And I believe that angels are very close. See, I don’t believe heaven is far off, I believe it’s a different dimension and that’s another subject as well. I believe that that dimensionally angels are as close to us as you could possibly be. And they like Jacob, when they was the open heaven in 28 of Genesis, and he saw the angels ascending and descending, I tell people the angel’s weren’t doing heavenly aerobics they were getting orders from God to help us and getting reports back from them on what’s going on. There are angels that are watchers that are here to watch over. I’m not, I see things in the world are difficult, but I’m not worried because I know God has his emissaries over every city.
Sid: Alright Ron, our time is slipping away again.
