Sid: There are many people that have had questions undermining their faith when it comes to evolution versus creationism, or what the Bible has to say. That’s why my special guest Dr. Carl Baugh was founder and director of Creation Evidence Museum in Glen Rose, Texas. He’s also a man that has discovered and excavated 2 major dinosaurs. On yesterday’s broadcast Carl we were talking about the missing links and the audacity of the secular press to talk about a missing link and not bring out that then later scientific research shows it wasn’t a missing link it was a pig, or an ape! You list a number of these things I wonder one of the ones that comes to mind, and I’m no great expert on this but the press did such a number was a missing link by the name of Lucy.
Carl: Oh yes in fact she’s known commonly around the world as the link combining man to ape or ape to man. But the actual current scientific data show published in nature the world’s leading scientific journal volume 24 page 676 – 78 by Professor Junger is a study on Lucy’s limbs showing that Lucy was actually an ape and a dead end trail so we have no connection to mankind whatsoever.
Sid: Is there any missing link, any one that you might say “Well that could be somehow.”
Carl: Well not at all, what appears at first to have an interesting feature, upon further examination raises the level to… raises the question for more sophisticated of uncertainty and shows clearly when you examine the teeth, or the cranium, or the occipital bone that’s projection at the back of a skull. When you put all this together and get the final analysis there’s not a single specimen that could point to a link between man and ape.
Sid: What about this latest evidence with DNA? Certainly with this type of being able to inspect life and they are able to now that we never could before, certainly some of this evidence should prove it or blow it out of the water.
Carl: It blows it out of the water but the mindset of academia is so secular in general that they won’t even admit in the press anything that questions evolutionary processes. So the retraction is put on page 13 of a journal. I think you’d be interested to know just days ago I read a report from a secular journal of an interview between the reporter and a microbiologist involved in just this sort of thing having to do with the living organisms at the very cellular level and now we’re able to examine these things at the cellular level, and we find that there is no half man and half ape it’s one or the other. But this microbiologist had given his credentials on the work he had done at a major laboratory and its world class work. So the journalist says “And you believe all of these systems came about by evolution?” And to his amazement the microbiologist said “No I don’t believe it came about by evolution.” He said “The evidence for design is overwhelming” he said “it’s like the elephant in the living room.” He said “It’s there, it bumps into everything, it looks like an elephant, smells like an elephant, trumpets like an elephant, steps on things like an elephant would, and we can’t deny it. But we just ignore it because to say that we believe in creation would terminate the grants, would close the laboratory, and the work couldn’t go on.” So he said publicly “I just refer to evolution but privately I know it’s all by design and creation.”
Sid: But what about in textbooks we’ve all seen you know the little fish, then the bird, and the monkey and the man, you know these charts in the textbooks.
Carl: Well the textbooks are actually outdated, and the textbooks are 3rd generation information not the cutting edge information. Again the textbooks are slanted to prove, or in the mind of the student, to germinate the concept of evolution. For instance on page 77 of the book I list the leading candidates for missing links. Sid what it turns out to be is, not only is the missing link missing but the whole chain is missing. Ilseven, like Ramapithecus which supposedly was an early… mid last century an early hominid, that’s an ape developing into man but it turns out to be an ape not hominid at all. The Piltdown man the greatest paleoanthropological hoax of mankind’s history, then the Nebraska man which turned out to be an extinct pig. We actually have at the museum one of the teeth from Hesperopithecus haroldcookii, now that’s a technical term, but that’s the term for Nebraska man, it turns out to be a pig. Cro-Magnon man is the 4th I list in the book but he’s indistinguishable from modern Europeans, in fact in some instances his braincase is larger than that of average man.
Sid: Alright you used a term you called these things hoaxes, I don’t mean to interrupt you but help me understand something. Why would a scientist be involved in a hoax?
Carl: Well…
Sid: What advantage is there?
Carl: Very often they’re sincere in their interpretation because they sincerely believe we evolved through a grand scheme of the universe realizing its own identity and the mind of man, and its own existence in the mind of man. They have anchored their academic position so that they subconsciously justify that position with every new discovery, but then when it turns out to be non-existent they just continue to another area of investigation assuming that the evidence will be found. But in the book again I quote world class scholars who admit by scientific observation that the missing links are still missing. Man is still man, ape is still ape and there never has been an abridgment between the two.
Sid: You know another thing you bring out which I find fascinating is your chapter 2. You make a bold statement that “Evolution is religious.” Why do you say that?
Carl: Alll…right now that’s very interesting Sid. Henry Fairfield Osborn was the leading scholar for the Scopes Evolution Trial. He began to study the history of anthropology and he was a great anthropologist no question about it. He began to study all of Darwin’s implications and he found that every implication that Charles Darwin had been anticipated back in the ancient Babylonians, the Greeks, and the Egyptians, and the Orientals as well. In this chapter I list the leading religions that are evolutionary like Buddhism, Hinduism, Confucianism, Daoism, Shintoism, animism, spiritism, Satanism, Theosophy, mysticism, liberal Judaism, liberal Christianity, liberal Islam, Unity, and humanism. They all believe tha the universe began as a cosmic egg and that it held within itself the potential to self-orchestrate into living systems. All the ancient religions held that view.
Sid: So how far back does this go?
Carl: This goes back to at least the 6th century BC and Charles Darwin is the hero of the modern evolutionary plot not because of any outstanding scientific work he did. He did some modestly good scientific work in certain areas having to do with worms and insects. But he’s not the hero for evolutionary plot for that reason because those worms and insects do not show any evolutionary progress. But he’s the hero of the evolutionary plot and has become it’s patriarch for one reason Sid, and that is that he was the first man braze enough to suggest that the chaotic universe and it’s rioting turmoil that he interpreted has finally realized its own existence in his phobic mind. Charles Darwin was a phobic.
Sid: I was going to ask you use it, that’s a strong word. Why do you say phobic?
Carl: Well in the book in the last chapter I quote the current scientific sources which show that Charles Darwin was a phobic a very tormented man. And while, due to sin, in violation of the Creator’s design, there is some chaos in the universe, for instance at the time of the flood a tremendous noise, Psalm 77 states, went out from earth out into the heavens, and we would call that microwave intensity, and it holds the potential of disrupting the near planets just as it disrupted planet earth. So we have some disruption we see that the consequence of sin, and decay, and the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics which states “That everything is running down.” So Charles Darwin interpreted all of that as being natural from the origin of the universe, we know it to be unnatural, and in the last chapter of this book that every one of your listeners needs to get. I’m serious we’re not selling books, we’re investing in lives and mindsets. In the final chapter I quote leading current medical resources and publications that have examined the behavior of Charles Darwin and have decided, unquestionably, he was phobic, he was manic depressive, he lived in absolute turmoil, and is called by modern clinicians, secular clinicians, a man in torment.
Sid: My goodness this world really has to be turned upside down.
