Now I never believed in instantaneous healing, I believe in the power of prayer, I believe God could heal according to Delores Winder, I could get a little better and a little better, but I wasn’t, I was getting worse and worse and worse.
SID: Well I am so glad that God doesn’t heal according to Delores Winder. Delores, the worst thing the doctor said to you near the end.
DELORES: Well, they took me in one more time to see if there was something else they could learn from my case, and my orthopedic surgeon had become a dear friend in the midst of all the taking care of me, and they called a new neurosurgeon in who had never seen me to see if there was anything they had missed, or anything they could still do, or they could still learn from this for other people, and I was laying in the hospital he came in ad he sat down and I said, “What’s wrong?” And he said, “Delores, it’s over.” By this time all the bones had pulled loose, I had one bone through the skin, I had an open sore for seven months with that bone through the skin, and I weighed less than 73 pounds, and I looked at him and he was crying, and I said, “Why are you crying, I am happy, I can go home now.”
SID: To get out of the pain.
DELORES: Yeah, and get out of this. And not only me but my family too.
SID: Okay how about this woman that comes by and has the nerve to change the channel on the dial, don’t you change your channel, to change the channel on the dial and there is a woman who says something like, “I believe in miracles because I believe in God.” What did you think when Kathryn Kulman came on?
DELORES: Well, when she changed my channel, and this redheaded woman came out on top form, floating along, and saying I believe in miracles, I looked at her and I said, “Who is that?”
She said that’s Kathryn Kulman. And I said, “Turn that off.” She said, “Don’t you watch her?”
I said, “No, turn it off.” See I came from Pennsylvania originally, I knew about Kathryn Kulman.
SID: But –
DELORES: I thought I did.
SID: But she heard a voice. Did you believe that was God when you heard the name Kathryn Kulman?
DELORES: Yes, because I was praying, I said, “God I need an answer for my son, I cannot die, I can’t come home until you will show me how you will take care of Chris.” And this all occurred then. And finally I said to her before – she turned it off but before she left she said, “What if you are keeping the door closed to God?” And I said, “By not watching Kathryn Kulman, that’s crazy?” She left, but the question stayed. And finally I said, “All right Lord, if I am keeping a door closed by not watching her, you will have to tell me when it is on,” because by this time I was sleeping a lot and I was doped up a lot, “and I will watch her.” Well instead of that I was waking up this day, a couple of days later, and I heard Kathryn Kulman’s name. And I thought the woman who stayed with me was in the house, and I called to her, now remember I didn’t have a voice, I only had a hoarse whisper because they went through my throat to do the second corodomy and it paralyzed my vocal cords. And in a hoarse whisper I called out to Gail and she didn’t answer me, and when she came in I said, “Did you say something about Kathryn Kulman?” She said no. And I thought wow that had to be the Lord so I have to watch her. But instead of that, God, a whole chain of, you know God sets up circumstances for our lives.
SID: So let’s fast-forward, you end up at a meeting where it is not even a healing miracle meeting, she is just teaching.
DELORES: No, it is a Holy Spirit conference.
SID: Okay, you are seated in there; you are not a happy camper?
DELORES: Well, by this time I got what I came for, she said, “Tonight I am going to introduce you to the Holy Spirit.” And I am sitting there thinking what? I know the Holy Spirit; it is the Spirit of God. The next words out of her mouth was, “If you call him that you don’t know him.”
“He is God here with you.” And suddenly everything in me was at attention and I suddenly felt something, recognizing the Holy Spirit. And then I saw, I had my eyes closed because I didn’t want to look at her, and I had my eyes closed and behind my closed eyelids I saw Chris, our son, and a man standing on our front porch, and the man turned and looked at me and said, “Tell Chris he need never walk in the house alone, tell him to picture Jesus, reach down and take my hand and I will walk in with him, but my name is Holy Spirit.” And I knew it wasn’t just for Chris, it was for Bill too. I knew I had my answer. I didn’t understand it.
SID: Bill is your husband.
DELORES: Yes, but I knew I had the answer; it was the Holy Spirit, how simple, God here present with us. Jesus said I’ll not leave you alone.
SID: You had your answer, but then you started seeing things that were bothering you on the stage?
DELORES: Well you see the Methodists told her no healing, so everyone had gone home, all her workers, but suddenly she said, “Someone had an ear open if they will come up they will receive their healing.” And I thought what is going on now? And some people went up and they said I can hear, I can hear. I got very frightened because suddenly it began to look like a sideshow up there, and I said to Gail, “Get me out of here.” Gail, the woman who took care of me took me, I said, “Get me out of here.” But as I was trying to move so she could lift me up, my legs were on fire.
SID: Your legs were on fire?
DELORES: Yes, and it was such a shock to me I just looked at them, and I had to hold my lips between my teeth to keep form screaming, burning so bad. And I heard the voice of the enemy that night also, he said, “Aren’t you glad you only wear your cast one hour a day now, that bone that has pulled out, it’s putting pressure on, making your legs burn.” And of course I wasn’t very logical at that time, my mind was pretty destroyed and so I believe that. And I would have gotten out of there and gotten home and I met with a board of doctors and ministers in California when I met with Kathryn Kulman, and they said if you would have gotten out of there you would have probably gone home and crawled in bed and died.
SID: But a man walked up to you who happened to be a medical doctor who wasn’t even supposed to be there and he shows up, he walks up to you and what did he say to you?
DELORES: He said to me, “What is happening to you?” And I said, “My legs are on fire.” And he said, “Would you walk with me?” And I looked at him and I thought, “Ah, he can get me out of here.” He is walking around, he must know them, so he can get me out. And I said just help me up, and as he did he said, “Now what can I do for you?” And I said. “Put one arm around me and take this arm and with my cane I could hold my cane in this hand,” because I couldn’t feel. “I can push, and I can’t walk, but I can shuffle.” He started to walk out with me and he said to me, “Have you ever had any surgeries?” And I said I have had four spinal fusions and two perpetainies cordotomies, and he stopped, and looked, nobody ever knew what a perpetainies cordotomy is, because they rarely did it.
SID: Only if someone is going to die.
DELORES: Yeah, and three doctors have to certify that you are terminal before they can do it. And he looked at me and he said, “You have had perpetainious cordotomies and your legs are burning?”
SID: Hold that thought, we’ll be right back after this word, don’t go away.