SID: I’ll tell you what, very few Christians, Protestants or Catholics, understand what you’re about ready to understand right now. But there are secret plans for welcoming, the Vatican will welcome in this alien from another planet as God. Tell me about that.
CRIS: Well, Sid, when you look at Bible prophecy and it talks about a one world government and a one world religion, you see how divided the world still is. We have to think that something unprecedented is going unite the world under one heading like that. Now Ronald Reagan gave a speech to the United Nations where he said, how quickly our differences would be resolved if we were faced with an alien threat from outside this world. This is in the ’80s, he gave this speech in the U.N. Now if you look around the world what people believe, statistics in the United States say around 50 percent of Americans already think that UFOs are aliens visiting the earth. Now there was a recent poll in the United Kingdom, more people believe in extraterrestrials in the U.K than God. And that’s a fact. And so to me, the strong delusion is already here. The groundwork has been laid. Now our hypothesis is these powers and principalities that Paul writes about in Ephesians 6, these demonic forces, have seeded this idea into the world, so we are primed and ready for a deception.
SID: Okay. What makes you think the Vatican has plans to announce this?
CRIS: Well you know, they’re having astrobiology conferences. They’ve made in intellectually virtuous to believe in these extraterrestrials. Their writings coming out of their theologians have pretty much made the argument that if you don’t believe in extraterrestrials then that is actually a heresy.
SID: You talk about that the Vatican is going to re-evaluate their position on basic Christianity. What do you mean by that?
CRIS: Well their theologians have written that they think that these entities will be evangelizing us, that they think the chances are that they’re not fallen and we are, so that we would have to modify our beliefs according to their revelation.
SID: So are they talking about setting up teams to evangelize humans and aliens? Is that what you’re really about?
CRIS: If you get on the Internet right now you’ll find hundreds—
SID: And baptize them?
CRIS: Hundreds of articles from the Vatican astronomers talking about baptizing extraterrestrials.
SID: A hundred years ago our top wonderful theologians had predictions based on their study of Scripture. Tell me about Hawkins Pember that wrote the days of Noah, a hundred years ago.
CRIS: George Hawkins Pember was writing in the 19th century and he found parallels between what he saw in the days of Noah and his age. And you know, he pulled out seven parallels, and there were things like the church marrying itself to the world. And I went through his list and then compared it to where we are now. Now everything that he saw in the 19th century has just, you know, exponentially grown. I mean, you look at the church married to the world. Now we have mainline denominations ordaining homosexual clergy and putting them up as their leadership.
SID: But they saw this a hundred years ago.
CRIS: He did. And the seventh thing on his list was actually the appearance of these entities, and he called them from the Prince of the Power of the Air, which is what Paul calls Satan in Ephesians, Chapter 2. Now the demonic realm in the New Testament world view was the atmosphere above the earth.
SID: Now tell me a couple of other points that he saw.
CRIS: Well Pember saw a vast population increase for one. Now our population has grown by leaps and bounds since something he couldn’t even imagine. He saw a confusion in the gender roles. He was talking about it in the 19th century.
SID: Does that sound familiar to you? It sounds familiar to me.
CRIS: I don’t think he would have any inkling of how far that’s gone now. Now we have transsexuals. We have homosexual marriages.
SID: What did he say about holiness?
CRIS: He saw that there was an emphasis on God being benevolent to the extent that they denied His holiness. Now I think that we see this in this idea of pluralism, which is so popular in our culture where all religions point to the same God. And this is a really acceptable notion in today’s society. Like talk about Hell or eternal punishment, or the exclusivity of our Messiah, Yeshua, is the thing that most people don’t tolerate.
SID: But you see, all these things the Bible says is black and white. They’ve got to be watered down for there to be a one world religion, for people to welcome in an Antichrist. I mean, what a set up. Even one of the things that he prophesied that you just brought up is a lack of holiness, a lack in belief that there is a Hell, a lack in belief that there is even a devil. And you know, some of these things are surfacing right now.
CRIS: Absolutely. And I even quoted some of the Catholic theologians at Notre Dame who deny that Satan is a real personal power. They just see him as some sort of abstraction nor metaphor for evil.
SID: I want you tell me the strongest thing in all of your research, and you’ve done, both of you have done extensive research. I want each of you to tell me the strongest thing you found in your research.
TOM: Well, as I’m listening right now to you and Cris talking, the strongest thing that’s in my mind is, again, what Vatican experts have told us. When Father Malachi Martin was asked, why is the Vatican, why do they have a presence on Mount Graham? And one of the things we haven’t had time to talk about is Mount Graham is sacred to the Apache. It is a star gate through which they, for centuries, have seen creatures that come, that move back and forth.
SID: Now this is right in Arizona.
TOM: This is in Arizona. And in fact, their creation mythos is that a disk came down and a bearded guy in the disk who was the Father of Creation was what established Mount Graham as a holy mountain. Well anyway, when Malachi Martin was asked, why is the Vatican on Mount Graham, what are they doing up there? He said that they’re using their telescope to watch something. And when he was pressed on the question, he said it’s because of the highest levels of the Vatican governance, they know what is approaching the earth, and it will be of the utmost importance in coming years. They are literally watching something with the Lucifer device that is approaching Planet Earth now.
SID: What do you believe they’re looking for?
TOM: I think that they could be deceived. I think they’re watching something and they think it’s one thing and I think it’s something else. Lucifer, I think it’s Satan. I think, Jesus said, “I beheld Satan as lightening falling from Heaven.” It has to do with the power of the air. And of course, you know, when Pope Benedict stepped down not long ago, twice lightning struck the top of the St. Peters Basilica, and this goes back their belief system. In Romanism, the belief was that the god would tell you when somebody should step down and when a new king should be elected, and it’s called augerism, and it’s where we take the word “inaugural” or “inauguralism” for replacement of the new king.
SID: I tell you what, as the kids say, you’re blowing my mind. But you’ve got to make Jesus your Lord, believe he forgave you of the sins, believe he’s your Lord, welcome him inside now.
