Sid: Now many years ago I interviewed a couple Betsy and Chester Kylstra. They had a Biblical Healing and Deliverance Ministry and it was an amazing ministry and that was many years ago. Well, they have learned so much in these last 20 some years that I’m having them on again; as a matter of fact Betsy and Chester I have to tell you I was looking over your background and what God brought both of you through and these are to two thoughts that crossed my mind. The first was you were a big mess; the second is everyone is a big mess including myself without God’s healing. As a matter of fact, Chester I don’t understand how even born again Christians if they don’t get rid of the junk in their life can ever get along with anyone.
Chester: Well I did a good job of not getting along with hardly anyone (laughing). That’s probably not totally true I avoided people but when I had to be with them then I was very nice because I didn’t want them to see the shame. I couldn’t verbalize that I had shame but I could look back now and see I was doing my best to control the situation fearful that they would find out about it. So I was nice on the outside, but on the inside I was very very leery of other people; I just expected them to cause me more pain more hurt.
Sid: Okay well Chester according to my notes your father died when your just two years old, your mother remarried a couple of times you never really bonded with your stepfather. What were the basic problems you were dealing with in your life before being a believer and even after being a believer?
Chester: Yeah of course now we can look back and understand it especially if the Lord has brought us through the healing process. It’s clear that I lived my life to avoid other people. I think the fact that my dad died somehow my little two year old heart reasoned not that two year olds reason but I figured out that oops life is dangerous; important people in my life are going to leave me. My dad left me, don’t know if my mother’s going to leave me or not and I basically said “I had to take care of myself” at the tender age of two, so I just began to do that. I just avoided other people and played by myself and was a real loner.
Sid: But yet you were dealing with such things as rejection, feeling constantly like an outsider, anger. Now you probably couldn’t have identified it but you were dealing those things after being a believer. There is somehow Christian’s think you say a little prayer with Billy and everything is different; yes you’re going to Heaven but everything’s not different.
Chester: No no everything is not different in fact the reality is that it’s like our legal position shifts from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of God the Son and that’s a really really important shift as we become members of God’s family. But not necessarily everythings’ somebody is wounded with gets taken care of; we probably all heard the miracle stories of the town alcoholic or whatever suddenly being set free when he received the Lord. Those things are awesome but even the town alcoholic has other issues he’s still got to deal with. It’s like our spirit gets positioned in incorruptible seed that it talks about in the book of Peter gets planted in our heart, but the soul and all of its wounding’s we have many scriptures like 2nd Corinthians 7:1 where Paul says to…he’s just finished reciting a number of promises mostly God’s going to call us His sons and daughters. And He says “Having these promises dearly beloved let us cleans ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit.” And of course he’s talking to Spirit-filled Christians at Corinth. He still sees there’s defilement in the flesh and the spirit that needs to be taken care of and he gives a reason or a purpose.
Sid: But you know with all this mess you still had enough in you to become a PhD in Nuclear Engineering and Science.
Chester: Yeah.
Sid: Betsy you were adopted that open up a whole new area of problems; what were you dealing with Betsy.
Betsy: Well, I was dealing a tremendous fear of death. Every night when I went to bed I felt like I was going to die and I would walk up in this total panic. So I had this terror and panic. I was dealing with like I was a mistake and would never belong and was not welcome. And I was dealing with, by the time I was four or five a lot of sexual fantasies and lust. So I just had some major major things coming out of the fact that my mother was a sixteen year old when she conceived me. That her relationship with her boyfriend broke up at that time, and her father had actually taken her to get an abortion. And that’s where the supernatural first started in my life because as she was sitting in the car outside of the doctor’s office waiting for me to be aborted a voice filled the car and said “Don’t do it; two wrongs don’t make a right” and she knew that was God speaking to her. She locked the door and refused to have the abortion.
Sid: So you’re saying and I understand this is true, a baby in the womb gets this almost spirit of rejection when the mother’s even contemplating an abortion.
Betsy: Exactly and so I carried that deep sense of rejection and it came out in the belief that no matter how hard I try I’ll never be as good as other people and I’ll always be on the outside. And I think a lot of people carry that as we have found in ministry that deep sense of abandonment. And so yes I was a wonderful mess… [Laughing]
Sid: But you know I don’t know how anyone could help but be a mess, to me the greatest miracle in the world is taking someone like myself from a Jewish background that didn’t know as it says in the Bible “My left hand from my right hand” and straightening me out. Are you finding that when people take your course, or your CD’s, or read your books that what happened to you and Chester happens to them?
Betsy: We’ve had people that told us they read our books as a devotional and read a little bit each day and then said “Yeshua would you come and meet me and minister to my life or help my life, come, help!” Many times that’s led to wonderful encounters with the Lord.
Sid: Okay now when I interviewed you many years ago you had gone through your personal journey and God has shown you how you were helped to help other people. But things are getting easier for you now you’re learning short cuts for people to be free. Tell me a bit about… you were in the back seat of a van and you had a visitation from the Lord Chester.
Chester: Yeah, this was still early on when God was getting our attention in a major way and obviously God in His infinite wisdom decided it was time for us to know Him better and time to become useful servants and sons and daughters at the same time. So we’ve been told we’re supposed to pray, we’re starting to go to church and we’re driving over to the coast to have a day at the beach. I’m laying in the back of the van trying to pray as I was told I was supposed to. I didn’t have any idea what prayer was but I did know enough that it was supposed to be communication with God. So I’m doing whatever I’m doing and suddenly I get this incredible invasion by the Father God of this Universe He just comes into to me and presents Himself to me and things take place that I have no idea accept I started wailing and it’s like these deep, deep grief’s were coming out of me. Looking back all I can surmise is that the Father of the Universe came and took care of the Father issues that I had in an amazing way and just revealed Himself to me. It just settled so many things it’s like you know so many people struggle they feel they have to earn their way with God and pray enough and read the Bible enough and all those are good things to do. We’re God’s son and daughter any how once we receive Him and that positions not going to change His love of us isn’t going to change. Sure He’s got good things for us to do but our relationship doesn’t depend on that.
Sid: You know what I’m excited about we put together a kit of your best products your book “Biblical Healing and Deliverance” 3 CDs called “True Identity” dealing with 3 big problems that most Christians deal with. Shame, fear and control and then perhaps one of the best parts of it is the prayer card where you deal with four areas of someone’s life. You call it an integrated approach and when they deal with these four areas and you actually have the prayer with the blank for them put in for their personal situation. Sins of the Fathers and the resulting curses they have, Ungodly Beliefs how to get rid of them, Soul and Spirit hurts, Demonic oppression. And by the time someone finishes this course they’re going to understand how to be free and not only that, they’re going to have lasting results, they’re going to have for the first time the answers to the question why their prayers are not being answered and what is the real source of their problem. For instance, you may have financial problems, you may have problems with sickness, you may feel rejected, you may feel like a victim, you may have marital problems, children problems, addictions, I mean every area of your life.