Sid: I’m going to tell you something “People are getting healed spiritually and as they’re getting healed spiritually it’s reacting in the physical and that’s the way God intended it. And there are people with arthritis in their hands and in their fingers. And if you’ll move your fingers you’ll see the pain is gone. In the wrist carpal tunnel; anything in the hand or wrist area you are being healed in the wrist area and in the back area also. I’ll tell you my guest John McTernan and we’re touching on a ministry that Jesus has given to each one of us that so few understand. John, you were telling me about this amazing Vietnam Veteran that just could not get free. Tell me what happened to him?
John: Sid he was a very good friend of a pastor friend of mine and I didn’t know him well I only met him once. His name was Paul. And I attended a prayer meeting and Paul was there and Pastor Jeff was there and Paul was sitting next to me. I could hear him praying I knew that something was wrong. So after the prayer meeting I went to him and I said “Excuse me I overheard you praying and there’s something wrong I would like to pray for you.” So Pastor Jeff came over and said “We’ve been praying for him for 25 years for deliverance, we don’t know what it is but we’ve kind of given up and we got to wait until eternity and Jesus will show us.” And I said “Well, let’s pray” And I started to pray and I couldn’t. And I stopped and I said “Paul, the Lord stopped me there’s something here.” And all of a sudden in my spirit I heard “Broken heart; broken heart; broken heart.” I said “Paul, the Lord’s telling me you have a broken heart.” And instantly, this man was 65 years old and instantly he said “Yes, I do; yes I do.” And I said “When did it happen?” Now he’s a 65 year old man; he is a Vietnam Veteran, decorated Vietnam Veteran. And he said “When I was 11 years old my mother rejected me.” And Pastor Jeff was standing next to me. “Paul, why didn’t you tell us, why didn’t you tell us?” But you see Sid it takes like almost a revelation of the Holy Spirit to show us it. And so I prayed for him; I prayed for his broken heart and I kept in touch with him through Pastor Jeff. And Pastor Jeff was telling me these amazing stories where God restored him to his mother; he had been estranged from her for decades; he was restored to his mother. The Veteran’s Administration took him off of all the medicine, his mind was healed, his heart was healed. And unfortunately Pastor Jeff passed away and I met Paul at Pastor Jeff’s funeral, Sid I could hardly recognize him. At this time he was about 70; he looked like he was about 40. In fact I went up to him and said “Paul?” And he said “Oh yeah, and of course he recognized me and we were shaking hands and he said “Thank you for praying for me; God did so much for me in my life the problem was a broken heart.” And it wasn’t a violent act that did it Sid, it was rejection, he remembered, he remembered it vividly going back to when he was 11 years old and that broke his heart. And all of the prayers for 25 years didn’t free him until his heart was healed.
Sid: And you know what is so amazing to me is the way that we human’s are made it’s such a fallen world being so fallen that it doesn’t take something so traumatic to shatter our heart. If you are a kid and you just get rejected by the other students at school no big deal, but to a kid it’s the worst thing in the world. And each one shatters your heart a little bit more. That’s why Jesus said “His ministry was first to care of the brokenhearted.” Tell me the connection if you will; if someone has their heart healed then the deliverance comes easy; then the gifts of our spirit start flowing. But they get wrong their understanding of Israel, of the Jewish people. What problem is that?
John: Sid, it’s an enormous problem. God’s prophetic word is out there for everybody to see. And there’s blessings and curses dealing with the Jewish people. And if we are wrong with handling what God’s doing prophetically towards Israel and the Jewish people. The Bible talks about the blessings and curses. And unfortunately today, and I’m talking about the United States. There are whole spiritual camps on developing rejecting the modern State of Israel. And this is very serious Sid. They are working day and night to pull people into their camp and to pull them out from the protection of the blessings of God’s word and bring them into what I believe a very ugly spirit that really resembles the spirit of Islam Sid.
Sid: What would you say to someone that came up to you John and said “Yes, God had a covenant with the Jewish people in Israel but we’re no longer under the law so therefore Israel is no different, the Jewish people are no different than any other country or any other people group.” What would you say to them?
John: Well I mean Romans Chapter 11 is crystal clear on that where God has put the Jewish people aside temporarily to form His church but he has not forsaken them. It’s crystal clear. And then later on in Romans is says “About all Israel shall be saved.” All Israel, this is not the church, the context is Israel. All Israel will be saved and that’s what’s going to happen at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. God still has many things to fulfill to the Jewish people. He’s going to set up a Kingdom here on earth with Jerusalem being the Capitol. He’s going to have a magnificent temple, we call it a temple; He calls it His house that will set up in Jerusalem. And He’s going to reign as King of kings and Lord of lords for a thousand years. And that is His promise that He has made to the Jewish people that has never been revoked and will be fulfilled at the second coming of Jesus Christ.
Sid: And you know where a lot of Christians make a mistake? When they take a Biblical new covenant term such as no longer under the law and they don’t realize that is referring to no longer under the law for righteousness. But are we going to toss out the 10 Commandments, are we going to toss out all the end time prophesies? Of course not that was the last thing that Paul wanted people to understand.
John: Well, you’re absolutely correct and the way I look at this the Bible was very specific in great detail in the first coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, right Sid. I mean the time of His birth, the place of His birth.
Sid: Although it was very specific few Jewish even realized it. (Laughing)
John: Well, well but the Bible’s also been specific about the Lord’s second coming. The foundation of the second coming when you look at the scriptures that He’s coming to Israel to restore Israel that He’s coming to Jerusalem. Jesus… people are going to recognize Him as the Messiah. So when did the literal first coming, or when… the first coming is literal and when then did it switch that the second coming is figurative. It’s the same, in fact, some of the prophecies are in the same verse. The Lord’s first and second coming are in Zechariah 9:9 and 10.
Sid: You know what? If those Christians have thrown out the Old Testament I’m convinced are going to miss key prophesies for his return.
John: Yes and isn’t it interesting that when Jewish people are the time of the Lord missed His first coming for misunderstanding scripture. And now people that name the Name of the Lord are missing His second coming for the misunderstanding of scriptures. The Lord’s second coming could be right on top of them and they can’t see it because they do not believer in the literalness of the Word of God.
Sid: You know John, on yesterday’s broadcast I promised that you would pray for people with a broken heart but our time has slipped way. I promise you Mishpochah on Friday’s broadcast I will have John pray for brokenhearted people and that as far as I’m concerned is everyone. And you told me in the Hebrew what that word means. And it means shattered. Explain that again.
John: Sid picture you had a glass bottle in your hand and you’ve not dropped it but you threw it down forcefully on the ground and wouldn’t that glass jar shatter into hundreds of pieces and go all over the room?
Sid: For sure, it would be nuts to do it by the way but go ahead.
John: That is the picture well in the Hebrew and the Greek of what happens to the human heart when it’s broken. It’s not a little tear, it’s violent ripping with shards and fragments. That’s a picture in the spiritual realm of what happens to our heart.
Sid: John the thing that is so amazing to me is once people understand the teaching and you pray a supernatural prayer over them. It seems to me that it should be much more complex to heal their heart than that, is it that easy?
John: Well, the hard part about it is forgiveness.
Sid: But isn’t it the broken heart that’s stopping people from forgiving?
John: And it could be and in that case what I do for people is that I ask for God’s grace. We pray and we ask for God’s supernatural grace for forgiveness. And that has worked every time.
