Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah, otherwise, no way in a million years would he be doing what he’s doing. And that is he’s not Jewish, he’s Gentile. God called him to the land of Israel. He’s got a family there 5 children, Stan Goodenough did you tell me that you have 5 children we’re under the age of how old?
Stan: Under the age of 10.
Sid: And that’s what I thought I was about ready to say it but it just sounded so outrageous. And they’re in Israel; they are subject to the same problems the Israeli’s are having. But you’re there, you’re family’s there. You were a newspaper reporter in South Africa and God called you to the land of Israel. But I’m going to take you back to an event that was very significant in your life. It was known as the Madrid Peace Conference on October 30, 1991 and you went there as a journalist. This was a conference for to orchestrate land for peace. And it’s very hard for me to comprehend why Israel even was at such a conference back then. There’s another story today which we may or may not get into but back then why did Israel go to a conference of land for peace back in 1991?
Stan: Sid it was very clearly a situation which Israel was coerced. Israel was at that point under incredible pressure with the influx of 100’s of 1000’s of Jews from the newly liberated Soviet Union after the collapse of the Berlin Wall. And they were coming in literally in the 100’s of 1000’s and Israel needed to absorb them. Because that’s a bedrock policy of the Israeli government of rebirth of Jewish refugees. So they wanted to absorb these people. In order to do so they were looking for the guarantees so that they could take loans out to the value of 10 billion dollars to settle these new people and they turned to the United States for these loan guarantees. And the Secretary of State then James Baker under the first Bush Administration said to Israel “Unless you come to Madrid we will not give you these guarantees.” And so in a very real way with a gun to her head the Israeli’s under then Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir they went to Madrid.
Sid: Now you went there as a reporter; you were with all of the reporters observing what was going on. But there were some moving things that you observed; tell me about them.
Stan: We lived in a center that was basically we were incarcerated in this center for 3 days. And yes surrounded by 1000’s actually journalists and it was a very very very big event. And so I heard a lot of the conversations around me and I caught a lot of the atmosphere which was very anti-pathetic towards Israel. Very sympathetic towards the Arabs side of the conflict and tended to be quite harsh and negative in its attitude towards Israel and so the general atmosphere in place. And so it really came to a head on the last day of the conference when representatives of Syria, Palestine Liberation Organization and Israel one after the other came to address the press. The Syrian Foreign Minister Formica Shori spent his 15 minute period just lambasting Israel, condemning Israel, calling Israel leaders a bunch of terrorists and just saying Israel was a land thief. And everything negative and that was a full turn in his extent of his basically of his delivery. And when he’d finished he got a round of applause from these journalist. Which was stunning for me. And then the PLO representative an Arab Christian by the name of Hanna Shari who I have to say is Christian by terms of their tradition rather than the fruit of their lives.
Sid: Most of us have seen her on television here in the States as a news correspondent type.
Stan: Well, she started talking about the tragedy of the first Christians. She said that her predecessors who were the very very first Christians in history. And they had lived in the holy land from the time of Jesus and in Bethlehem and in all of those places which the Israeli’s had occupied and they were living…
Sid: Excuse me, did she say that they were the first?
Stan: Yes.
Sid: How could she be so outrageous?
Stan: Exactly.
Sid: But go ahead.
Stan: The single journalist questioned her but there was a man in that room that was not strictly a journalist, he was a evangelical Christian from the United States. A gentleman by the name of Mike Evans, he stood up, very brave, very courageous in the face of that overwhelming opposition in that place and he challenged her. He reminded her that the first Christians were actually Jews and that Bethlehem was a city of David a Jewish king and so on. Well she didn’t bat an eyelid she just laid into him and you know to the amusement, clear amusement of the journalists…
Sid: Well, didn’t Jesus say you’ll know my disciples, my talmudim, by their love. So it didn’t matter what she said about her people being the first Christians she sure wasn’t acting very Christian. Having lies come out of her mouth and coming after him speaking the truth.
Stan: Exactly, it was quite clear where she was coming from and what was in her heart. Anyway when she finished with him she got a standing ovation from the press core.
Sid: That’s twice as outrageous as the Syrian getting the ovation but go ahead.
Stan: Well then the Israeli Benjamin Netanyahu and he spoke to the press. And unlike his previous… the two before him he just like really turned to and appealed to the journalists, you know very briefly laid out the history of Israel of what the Jewish people had been through outside the land, what they’d been through since returning to the land. And appealed to them to please report truth to give context, accurate historical context or actual context to their reports. And stop using the weapons which they had in their pens and their computers to attack Israel and to portray Israel in the negative light. But when he finished speaking I think one person in that room clapped 3 times and there was dead silence and he walked out.
Sid: Hmm.
Stan: Of course that’s such a graphic and clear illustration of this huge number of press core represents this….?
Sid: And that was back in ’91.
Stan: Hmm, hm.
Sid: But today I have to believe that most Christians aren’t even aware of what’s happening in France and Europe as far as the hatred. And as a matter of fact I have to believe some of the problems that we see here in the United States from foreign countries such as France and Germany etcetera have to do with us stranding tight with Israel.
Stan: Well I think there’s a precedence for that certainly there’s first of all the depth of every difficult principal that God set in place already when He chose Abraham and He said that those who curse Abraham and his descendants after him would be cursed. And we have seen that down through history. We have seen nation after nation rise, become empires, become great nations. Mistreat and abuse Israel and fade into insignificance. And of course the recent example of that was the British empire which was so promising as it began to lay the foundations for Israel to go back to their homeland with the Balfour Declaration in the early 1900’s. And after first supposedly supporting the Jewish move back home they then turned on them and betrayed them to the point even where the British Ambassador of Berlin reported to the Nazis’ that the Jews were trying to escape to Palestine as the area was then called. And the British blockaded the coastline of Palestine and prevented Jews from escaping from the gas chambers. So the British really turned on the Jews and of course they also severed off 2/3’s of Palestine and more and gave it to Jordan for the creation of Jordan. And so they really betrayed the Jewish people. And we know today that Britain that was money. And the empire today is just an Island.
Sid: Well let’s take case in point of the United States. How about the first President Bush, he was at that time historic highs as far as popularity after that Iraq war. And he loses to a relative unknown he loses the Presidency when he runs again. What do you attribute that to?
Stan: He also if you remember Sid he also lost his Kennebunkport, Maine home.
Sid: Explain.
Stan: The so called perfect storm. There was a storm that took place that they called it “The perfect storm.” They made a movie out of it because it was so unnatural that the conference of weather events that came together and created this huge storm that destroyed among other things the former President’s home in Kennebunkport. And it happened around about exactly the same time. I don’t remember the exact event but it was he was applying intense pressure on Israel to surrender its land to the Palestinians that were attempting to steal the land from the Jews.
Sid: And his home in Kennebunkport, Maine get smashed by a storm and actually I do remember and it was the next day.
Stan: Hm.
Sid: And the actual report that I read said that the home was heavily damaged. I mean talk about God trying to put an explanation point to statement of Genesis 12:3. In which God says “I God will bless the those who bless the Jewish people, and I will curse those that curse them.” Stan I want you to paint a picture of the anti-Semitism that is going worldwide today.
Stan: Sid it came last month from the Hague. It’s so called “International Code of Justice in Hague ruled “That Israel may not only not build a security fence that it has been forced to build to Judea and Samaria on the one side and the rest of Israel on the other to prevent the suicide bombers. More than 100 of which have come and taken Jewish men, woman and Jewish children’s lives in the last 4 years and before that. The court ruled that Israel has no right to build that wall and not only will Israel tear it down but Israel must compensate the Palestinians whose land apparently put parts of this wall.” And most of it is not a wall, it’s a fence. Now that court ruling was instigated by the United Nations which sent the whole map to the court a few months ago. The United Nations and is this week and they’re going to call for a resolution rectifying the international court’s ruling and condemning Israel for this wall, There have been numerous attacks, one just last month; a young Jewish woman was blown to pieces at a bomb shelter; I think in front of a bus stop. And 35 Israelis’ were wounded as a direct result of terrorists coming through that area where Israel is trying to wall off and planting remote control bombs and setting it off. And the world never condemns these acts. We’ve seen mothers….
Sid: Listen if any one wants graphic proof that there is in fact a devil Stan you could not have said anything more condemning. We’re out of time I’m speaking to Stan Goodenough.
