Sid: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. I so love the rarified air of Heaven and I believe that as you’re watching me that rarified air is going to be transported to you. And I’m so excited to talk to Leif Hetland. Leif, as I told you at dinner last night, that you provoke me to jealousy. And after, all the Bible says, “The gentile is provoking the Jew to jealousy.” And how does he provoke me to jealousy? He has tapped in to what is known as the immersion or the baptism of love. And as far as I’m concerned, the Bible says God is love. And have you noticed there has been an emphasis since I’ve been a believer on Jesus, and rightfully so, and on the Holy Spirit, and rightfully so. But we’re coming into a season and God’s proving it to us prophetically, we’re coming into a season in which Father God wants you to experience His love. And what do I mean by it’s a prophetic time? Because, do you remember the Brownsville Revival in Pensacola Florida? Guess when it started? Father’s Day. And do you remember Toronto, the great outpouring in Canada at the airport church? What did they emphasize? The love of the Father. Now you came from a home that displayed love, but yet you still had an orphan’s spirit. What is an orphan’s spirit?
Leif: Well an orphan’s spirit is a primary person who lives their life without having a security. They don’t have a love value and purpose. An individual like in my own life where I had a good father, and it is possible actually to have a perfect Father like we find in the Bible and end up with a prodigal son and a prodigal brother. And I had the experience being both a prodigal son because of abuse that took place when I was 12 years old and I ended up as a prodigal son with an orphan spirit. I didn’t have a place of security with God or with anybody else. And I didn’t know how to receive love or to give love away, and I didn’t have a proper value system that only a father can give. And as a result, I didn’t find my purpose in life for many, many years.
Sid: Now there are many fatherless people in the world, in the United States. What did you tell me?
Leif: Well 40 percent of all the children in America, they live in a home where they do not have a father around. And just even to know in prison, the majority of the people in prison. One example that I thought was interesting, Sid, was that during Mother’s Day the Hallmark, the maker of these beautiful cards, they send out cards to all the prisoners to write their mama, and 5000 cards, all of them were gone. The Father’s Day came along and they thought, we need to do the same thing for Father’s Day, and over 4800 cards were not sent out.
Sid: That’s very telling. Now interesting enough, Leif comes from four generations of Pentecostals. However, he became a Baptist pastor and because he had this orphan spirit, he thought he could please God by good works. And you burned yourself out, but you ended up at a meeting of the Toronto group that was in England. And tell me about that.
Leif: Well I was, in 1994, I was pastoring First Baptist Church in Sanders, Norway. And my elder, he came back and somehow I saw something had taken place in his life. And he said, “Hey, you need to go over to England. There is a group of people and I know it’s kind of strange, but they can pray for you.” And to be honest, I first thought I don’t need this, but I saw the fire in his eyes. So I went with him over to England and I showed up and was saved because I went to a Baptist church. And on that Tuesday, there was a group of people that had just come from Toronto. And when they started to share their testimony, there were several like me. They were burned out people, tired people, wearied people, and all of them had a fresh touch of the Father’s love. So I stood in line that Tuesday as a Baptist pastor.
More of you, Lord. You give more. More of you, Lord. The next moment, I was laying on the floor. And I was thinking, what would my Baptist members think if they see me rolling on this floor.
Sid: You would lose my church.
Leif: I would lose my church, yeah. And the interesting thing, when I came back again to my Baptist church after this meeting, I was just preaching like normal. But now the people in my Baptist church, they started to fall down on the floor or resting in the spirit, and we didn’t have a language for it. It looked like there was an accident that was taking place.
Sid: How about you? Do you feel like you are at home? Do you have an orphan spirit? Are you burned out on religion? Leif had an encounter with the baptism, the immersion of love that transformed his life, transformed his marriage, transformed his family and allows him to minister to Muslims because of this great love that has poured out from God the Father. I want you to experience that. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back.
