Sid: My guest Pastor Billy Joe Daugherty, Senior Pastor of Victory Christian Center in Tulsa Oklahoma, I’m talking to him on his book “You Can be Healed.” And Pastor Billy Joe why is it people say when they get sick, “I’m so glad that I got the sickness because I would not be as close to God if I hadn’t had this sickness or I wouldn’t be in the place I am right now and God used the sickness to that, He really used the sickness to help me.” What would you say to that?
Billy Joe: I would say that it’s the Holy Spirit that did the work, not the sickness and disease, and it’s the response of the person to sickness and disease that brings good things into the person’s life. If sickness and disease, tragedy, calamity if they automatically brought blessing then you would see people around the world that had gone through something horrible getting closer to God, but that’s not true. There are as many people going away from God turning because they look at what’s happened to them and their not looking to God in trust, they’re many people are looking at in anger. So this is an hour for us to recognize Acts 10:38 says “How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and power who went about doing good, healing those who where oppressed of the devil. Sickness and disease as defined in scripture do not come from the Lord to bless us, they are part of the curse sent to attack us and according to the words of scripture they come from the enemy that he uses them as a tool to steal, kill and destroy. Jesus said, “I Am come that you may have life and life more abundantly.” Now when you think about heaven and you think about creation, you realize that in the beginning there was no sickness and disease before the fall. In heaven there is not going to be any sickness there, when Jesus came He didn’t bring any sickness and disease to people He took it away from them. So if in the beginning there was no sickness and Jesus He delivered people from sickness and when we all get to heaven there’s not going to be any sickness then that should help us realize God’s will is not sickness and disease, it’s health and wholeness. That was in the beginning, that’s in heaven and that’s what Jesus brought.
Sid: What is the first advice that you would give Billy Joe to someone who’s gotten and evil report from the doctor they’ve just been to the doctor and perhaps the doctor has says “You’ve got cancer; you’ve got x-amount of months to live.” What would you counsel that person to do first?
Billy Joe: I would say “You can be healed, with God nothing is impossible, all things are possible with God.” I’d say to you, “This the day of the Lord, what men can’t do God can do God can do. You can have a miracle, you can rise above what you’re facing, let’s take the word of God, let’s get into it believe it and begin to speak it out loud. Begin to declare it over your life and then I would begin to give that person scriptures III John 2, “Beloved I wish above all things you would prosper and be in health even as your soul prospers.” I would take them to Matthew 8 where the leper said “Lord, if you will you can make me whole.” That leper knew that Jesus had the ability, but he wondered did He have the willingness and that’s where many people are today. They wonder, “Is God willing to heal me?” God has the power, God has the ability, they’re just like the leper, “Lord, you’ve got all this ability, you’ve got all this healing power, but do you care about me, are you willing to make me well?” And Jesus answered once and for all forever and for all people, “I will, be thou be made whole.” And that leper went away cleansed, I would say “You can have a miracle, but let’s put God’s word into our heart first, let’s begin to speak it, let’s declare it, let’s lay hold of it. And day after day I would encourage that person not to give up, not to quit, not to stop believing but continue to declare their faith. You see the spirit of faith is I believe and therefore I speak; so what we’re believing we’re speaking.
Sid: But how do we, what’s the first step to believe, I mean we hear these words, but we don’t believe them. How do we get it into our heart?
Billy Joe: Well, first of all, you have to believe that God’s word is the word of God and it’s supreme. The integrity and the authority of the scriptures has to be established in a person’s life. In other words if I say “The word of God says, but you don’t respect the word of God and I’m speaking to someone who’s listening but you don’t respect the word of God then it is going to be difficult for you to believe it. So the first point is to get to the place that you believe the Bible is true. Once you’re at that place and you say, “Well, how do you know the Bible is true?” A direct answer in one word, and that’s Israel, there’s no other explanation in the whole world than Israel was reborn as a nation in 1948. It is the undeniable direct absolute statement the Bible is true, you can count on it, think of it, the Bible written 66 books, 40 different authors over the course of 1,500 years and yet it’s one book. There’s nothing like it in the world, you image that there’s no book that has prophesy given hundreds of years before an event would take place and then that event happened exactly as it was spoken and recorded in the scriptures. There is nothing like that in the Koran, there’s nothing like that in Buddhist writings or Hindu writings or any other false religion there is in the world only the Bible which reveals the true and living God. Now I gave you those things to help you get rid of some doubt, once that’s established then when you hear the word of God just as Sid said to you, and asked me the question, “What do you do?” You declare in your heart and with your mouth I choose to believe the Bible, the word of God rather than the report that I’ve been given. Whose report will you believe; Isaiah asked the question from the Spirit of the Lord. We have all types of reports that come but whose report will you believe? You have a choice, and believing is a choice of the human will. It originates in the heart but it’s involved with human will and people can choose to be unbelievers and just say they doubt it, they don’t want to believe, they’re not going to believe. But when you get to that point when you say “You know, I’ve tried everything else there’s no other hope I choose to believe God.”
Sid Roth: Alright what would you say Billy Joe to the person that says “Well I did believe and I was sick and I didn’t get better and this has happened three of four times and I know I’m in unbelief right now but I don’t know what to do about it; my experiences don’t back up what Billy Joe’s talking about?”
Billy Joe: You know I would say that exactly “Don’t back up, what are your options?” Keep doubting, keep unbelieving, going the other direction?” You know it’s like an atheist, I say “What’s your options from here; you don’t have too many good things going for you.” So let’s turn it around and say “What if we chose to believe, what if it does work, what if you just hung on a little longer, what if you reenergized yourself with more fuel?” In other words the fire goes down and gets low because it doesn’t have enough fire wood on it or however it’s supplied by coal or oil or something else; so let’s put more wood on the fire. You say, “Where do you get the wood, the wood is God’s word, this is where many people are limited, Hosea 4:6 “People perish for the lack of knowledge.” Then people perish for having knowledge but not applying that knowledge in their lives, so get the knowledge. This is why we come to this book that your offering, “You Can be Healed,” it gives answers, it gives scriptures one right after another. James 1:17 “God gives only good and perfect gifts.” We know from the word of God, the Roman Santorin said, “Speak the word only and my servant will be healed.” If someone inundate they’re entire beings, saturate their soul, their mind, and their heart with faith scriptures, the word of God then. Faith comes by hearing, faith is going to rise and increase in that process Sid.
